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I got them because they are the top jet fighter sims and finally found the newest demo for EECH to get into the flight and fight role with TIR3P+VE. But they are so time consuming to learn not to mention the frame drop in lomac. I am an avid racer and love Tir for GTR, LFS S2, and RBR. I was a pretty good driver before TIR but have been doing even better in the games not to mention getting more 1st place wins then ever after 5 yrs of real life auto cross in my modified Focus daily driver and step dads 91 Rx7 ITS track car. So my point of this is there anyone making an instantly fun to play combat flight game/sim with good fast graphics and trackIR support and online play? Yea I know sounds like I want more arcade than sim for flying....yep I'll admit it, I do. I'm basically looking for the whole flying/shooting jet and helicopters of BF2 as a dedicated game but with built in 6DOF TIR support. Anyone else thinking like me on this? Internal cockpit tir support for crimson skies? It would draw a bigger audience for the game makers. And for the hardcore simmers yes i will learn the 2 titles I do have at some point.

I really suggest taking the time to learn Falcon. I have both lockon and falcon (with expansions for both). Falcon is much more rewarding. And I was really dissapointed when Dice or EA or whoever said no to adding support for trackir. I mean the cockpits are 3d so why not. Oh well.

Make sure to keep telling your friends about trackir so it gets more mainstream (I just had two people buy trackir 3 pros recently ).