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F/R issue in PF still :3-pro-> to VECTOR
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 4:37 pm
by gau-8
hey guys,
lovin the product, both 3PRO, and my newly acquired VECTOR unit. top notch work
but... and its a very small small small complaint.
i still get frame rate drop (track-ir F/R's not PF's frame rates) in PF/AEP. was fairly rare with the 3PRO itself, but im running across it a lot more with VECTOR. now i did just switch to the latest drivers for my video card, so that POSSIBLY (?) could be it...
from my understanding the GEFORCE 5500's PREFER older drivers, so im going to switch back and test in a few. but just in case, maybe you guys have an alternate answer?
just in case, heres some extra info
PF/AEP
.settings on high, but nothing on "perfect"
.16 bit color, 1024x768 rez
.POWERED USB HUB
computer
.AMD 2700+ non OC
.2 gig mushkin 3200 RAM
.BFG TECH OC'd geforce 5500 G- CARD
.DFI lanparty mobo
again, LOVE the product, and it works for me almost flawlessly, i can live with the FR drop, just gets annoying at times when it gets constant.. keep up the good work and if my findings are good/bad, at least its more helpful info for future Q's
Re: F/R issue in PF still :3-pro-> to VECTOR
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2004 6:23 pm
by gau-8
tried the driver rollback, hard to say, but it seems that "cockpit flicker" is a lot more apparent using VECTOR than 3PRO
noticed this too, i really dont like smoothing...not at all. i had NONE, or at the minimum amount allowed for the 3 pro software (i think 10??)
i noticed that in VECTOR the smoothing is set to 5.. but its way too much for me.. is there a way to take out all the smoothing? or make it smoother like the 3 pro version? it sounds really weird, i know, but VECTOR is too "sticky" for me even at its lowest smoothing settings.
[ December 29, 2004, 01:24 AM: Message edited by: gau-8 ]
Re: F/R issue in PF still :3-pro-> to VECTOR
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:25 am
by spitfire9
I get a lot of cockpit flicker if I have vertical sync off. Works great with it back on.
Re: F/R issue in PF still :3-pro-> to VECTOR
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 3:44 pm
by gau-8
yeah, i tried that too, but it didnt really help.
what i have noticed is that in PF/AEP, since the latest patch using mouse, or TRACK-IR seems "stickier"..... its not that way in MSFS2004. so, im not sure if its a PF related item to TRACK-IR, track-ir itself.... or a change on PF itself... and anything mouse related is not as precise...
::shuffles :: MORE TESTING!!!
Re: F/R issue in PF still :3-pro-> to VECTOR
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:22 pm
by gau-8
ok.... 3 things so far.
i went back to the drivers on the CD i got with my 3-PRO. much much better for me, i took out all smoothing, and it was very close to perfection for me. then
uninstalled software/registry from NP, rebooted, added latest PRO-3 drivers/VECTOR.(but WITHOUT actual VECTOR..just 3pro drivers.
tested..... frame rate drops, no (5) smoothing is still sticky feeling, and quite a biyt more of the cockpit flicker while looking around.
uninstalled, everything as per before, rebooted, installed VECTOR with actual vector, and not just 3PRO drivers, threw in necessary files.
same thing... frame rate loss immidiately, cockpit severe flicker, and sticky smoothing when on minimalist amount
doesnt ever get "jittery" the way ii like it.. actually in VECTOR.. it gets very confused. 6 DOF or 2DOF, vector hardware on, with track hat, vector hardware without trackhat, or just track hat only.. it doesnt know what to do..it freaks out. MSFS2004 is fine, the only way i can keep it under control is to go to regular IR mode. i dont get the smoothness everyone else talks about using 2DOF in PF
[ December 30, 2004, 12:31 AM: Message edited by: gau-8 ]
Re: F/R issue in PF still :3-pro-> to VECTOR
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:24 pm
by spitfire9
Ive been using Vector on with the 3.03m patch and it seems OK???
Re: F/R issue in PF still :3-pro-> to VECTOR
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:24 pm
by Wayne
I am working with a few of you guys on this issue. Please e-mail me with the online servers that you are using.
The key here is to reproduce the same results on our computers here at the office.
Re: F/R issue in PF still :3-pro-> to VECTOR
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2004 6:30 pm
by spitfire9
With the regular 3pro (no vector) I had my Trackir unit about 14inches from the dot and it worked very smooth.
With Vector I had to move the unit back to about 32 in. Up close it would lose the 3 dots very easy and then do a kind of roll ,usually back and towards the floor and get very jittery.
Did you try moving the unit back??
Re: F/R issue in PF still :3-pro-> to VECTOR
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2004 1:28 am
by gau-8
ok wayne, i think i got it!
maybe maybe maybe...,
i kept trying to install and test seperately over and over again with the different versions.
i noticed that when i removed program , after reboot, the NP folder was still on computer, with 2 different internal folders. track-ir and vector
heres what cleaned up everything for me
.REMOVED EVERYTHING releated to NP-
.folders, registry stuff, programs/drivers
.reinstalled vector prog/drivers program
. UNCHECKED box for 4.xxxx drivers.
.after completion, i DELEATED the TRACK-IR 3 folder, keepin only vectors folder.
ill test some more after work.
wayne, thanks again for such a wonderful product, and excellent services here
EDIT: this is with 6DOF enabled, not regular track-ir mode (2d) .. i checked several times, BE SURE i can slide side to side with no movements yup the real deal. no flicka, slightly jittery, and no stickeyness.. happy happy!
[ December 30, 2004, 08:32 AM: Message edited by: gau-8 ]