New TrackIr3-Pro
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Dashboardsaint1
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New TrackIr3-Pro
I'm just waiting for my TrackIr3-Pro to come this Thursday, and I'm trying to get as much info as I can. I was told that my absolute favorite sims, the Il2 series, including Pacific Fighters, didn't support the new Vector enhancement. I was also advised not to purchase it. Have I been deceived??? Are you able to use it? Am I going to be sorely disappointed without it???
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JG52SoraAkuma
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Re: New TrackIr3-Pro
Hi MadMack,
I am new hear but as you mentioned, if I read correctly, the Vector Enhancement does support the IL2 series. Thats why I purchased it and now waiting for its arrival.
I am new hear but as you mentioned, if I read correctly, the Vector Enhancement does support the IL2 series. Thats why I purchased it and now waiting for its arrival.
Re: New TrackIr3-Pro
Welcome guys to the world of TIR.
The Vector (6DOF) works in all Native supported games, but you will not get the extra movements (forward, back ect) that full 6DOF games have or will have.
Befor you go thinking there goes $50 or what ever, one thing the Vector does to all Native games is to give stability. As 3 reflectors give TIR3+3Pro more data to work on there is less 'drift' than with one dot.
With none 6DOF games even moving your head when in games would give you unwanted movement because of the general direction's of the earlier versions of TIR (like the old lean instead of turning your head.)
With Vector onboard, only the movements that you make like turning your head to look behind you is the only movements that are used in 2DOF games (it is possible to turn off different axis with Vector.) So those unwanted movements when you really do not want them are really reduced to the minimum, especially when you are lining up that shot
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I really should proof read more than once
MadMack thanks for the kind comments. I am just glad that it is working for you now.
Sora (or anyone else for that matter) I am not conneted to NP, I am just a user who has been using TIR for nearly 2 years (allready!) with too much time on his hands. I was given help when I first recieved my TIR from this community and helping now if I can is my way of repaying this great community.
Alex (Barred)
[ February 09, 2005, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: Barred ]
The Vector (6DOF) works in all Native supported games, but you will not get the extra movements (forward, back ect) that full 6DOF games have or will have.
Befor you go thinking there goes $50 or what ever, one thing the Vector does to all Native games is to give stability. As 3 reflectors give TIR3+3Pro more data to work on there is less 'drift' than with one dot.
With none 6DOF games even moving your head when in games would give you unwanted movement because of the general direction's of the earlier versions of TIR (like the old lean instead of turning your head.)
With Vector onboard, only the movements that you make like turning your head to look behind you is the only movements that are used in 2DOF games (it is possible to turn off different axis with Vector.) So those unwanted movements when you really do not want them are really reduced to the minimum, especially when you are lining up that shot
Edit
I really should proof read more than once
MadMack thanks for the kind comments. I am just glad that it is working for you now.
Sora (or anyone else for that matter) I am not conneted to NP, I am just a user who has been using TIR for nearly 2 years (allready!) with too much time on his hands. I was given help when I first recieved my TIR from this community and helping now if I can is my way of repaying this great community.
Alex (Barred)
[ February 09, 2005, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: Barred ]
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Dashboardsaint1
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Re: New TrackIr3-Pro
Hey Sora!
Listen to Barred - He's 100% on his game!!! I see you're flying the IL2 series, and take it from both Barred and me, you DIDN'T waste your dough, even though it doesn't support ALL the cool features.
It definately gives you a realism a sim pilot can really appreciate. Imagine, finally being able to fly in the cockpit full-time!
The Vector enhancement gives you a visual steadiness that is absolutely worth the money. All you have to do is take your time, get used to it, maybe do some minor tweaking (I haven't had to yet), and move that butcherbird into position for a kill!
If you have probs, drop me a line, or, if I may say so, Barred has the know-how, and seems to possess a great gift for simplicity and clarity in his instruction! Good Luck!
Cheers Mate!
Listen to Barred - He's 100% on his game!!! I see you're flying the IL2 series, and take it from both Barred and me, you DIDN'T waste your dough, even though it doesn't support ALL the cool features.
It definately gives you a realism a sim pilot can really appreciate. Imagine, finally being able to fly in the cockpit full-time!
The Vector enhancement gives you a visual steadiness that is absolutely worth the money. All you have to do is take your time, get used to it, maybe do some minor tweaking (I haven't had to yet), and move that butcherbird into position for a kill!
If you have probs, drop me a line, or, if I may say so, Barred has the know-how, and seems to possess a great gift for simplicity and clarity in his instruction! Good Luck!
Cheers Mate!
Re: New TrackIr3-Pro
I too am awaiting my new TrackIR3Pro for use with IL2, and it arrived today. Unfortunately some bum stole it off my porch! He left me an empty box and the Hat I'd ordered. VERY frustrating. UPS is looking into it. Nice hat tho. (sigh) While I'm waiting what's this Vector thing you guys are talking about?
Thanks for the help.
Haukeye
Thanks for the help.
Haukeye
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Dashboardsaint1
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Re: New TrackIr3-Pro
Hey Hawk, Sorry to hear about the loss mate! Hope they don't keep you waiting too long for a replacement! The vector enhancement for the TrackIr is a pretty cool xtra. Although I'm not technically knowledgeable about it, I'll give my interp:
W/out Vector, your head is tracked up & down and side to side only (pitch/yaw). While flying, it will require you to sit very still as it interprets any other movement ONLY in those 2 ways. If you slouch, it reads as if u r looking down. If u sit up ,it interps this as you looking up. If you're a "leaner" like me, keeping on target for a kill gets a bit hard. (there are ways to make this better, so when you get set up, and this is a prob., drop me a line and I'll pass on the wisdom of Barred who really helped me!)
Now the Vector enhancement:
Vector allows you to view your surroundings from just about every angle you can turn you noggin'.
W/Vector, your head is tracked up & down, side/side, tilt, foreward/ rearward. This means that w/Vector, on a game that fully supports it, you can tilt your head and see out the window, you can get a close-up to your guages by moving your head closer to the screen, or conversly. It follows head movement very closely, and very steadily. It can really add a dimension to your gaming.
1st & foremost, as far as the IL2 games go, the Vector isn't supported. But wait! It's ability to distinguish your slouching or leaning from actual head movement is, to me, worth the $$.You can get all the tech details form the website under TrackIr3 Pro.
I hope this helped, and sorry about the delay in response!
W/out Vector, your head is tracked up & down and side to side only (pitch/yaw). While flying, it will require you to sit very still as it interprets any other movement ONLY in those 2 ways. If you slouch, it reads as if u r looking down. If u sit up ,it interps this as you looking up. If you're a "leaner" like me, keeping on target for a kill gets a bit hard. (there are ways to make this better, so when you get set up, and this is a prob., drop me a line and I'll pass on the wisdom of Barred who really helped me!)
Now the Vector enhancement:
Vector allows you to view your surroundings from just about every angle you can turn you noggin'.
W/Vector, your head is tracked up & down, side/side, tilt, foreward/ rearward. This means that w/Vector, on a game that fully supports it, you can tilt your head and see out the window, you can get a close-up to your guages by moving your head closer to the screen, or conversly. It follows head movement very closely, and very steadily. It can really add a dimension to your gaming.
1st & foremost, as far as the IL2 games go, the Vector isn't supported. But wait! It's ability to distinguish your slouching or leaning from actual head movement is, to me, worth the $$.You can get all the tech details form the website under TrackIr3 Pro.
I hope this helped, and sorry about the delay in response!
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JG52SoraAkuma
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Re: New TrackIr3-Pro
Roger That MadMack,
The vector does not work with IL2+FB+AEP+PF.
But the steadenist ( with the vector ) of the veiw is way better than the Tracker2. A whole lot better. Now I don't have motion sickness,lol. Thats why I gave that one to a club member. He's happy with it. Now I can enjoy the Trackir as it was meant to be. I still have to tell my thumb not to use the hatswitch though,lololololol. Salute!
PS. I am still amazed at this device.
The vector does not work with IL2+FB+AEP+PF.
But the steadenist ( with the vector ) of the veiw is way better than the Tracker2. A whole lot better. Now I don't have motion sickness,lol. Thats why I gave that one to a club member. He's happy with it. Now I can enjoy the Trackir as it was meant to be. I still have to tell my thumb not to use the hatswitch though,lololololol. Salute!
PS. I am still amazed at this device.
Re: New TrackIr3-Pro
Haukeye, man I am sorry that happened to you, I know what it is like to wait for something that is in delivery to you and then find it is not there. I hope that it i sorted out for you real soon, with as little extra pain as possible.
As Mack says with out Vector within IL2 (all versions) it is possible to have your head movement miss translated by TIR and this actually led to the lean being used for turning.
With the early TIR this could be useful, but with the extra range and stability of TIR3 those direction aberations can be used. This is were Vector (6DOF) comes into its own. Vector uses basic triganometry to determin what your head is doing in relation to the TIR sensor.
If a game does not use these directions, then the TIR will send 'pure data' to your game for up/down and turn as the other axis can be turned off if the game does not use them.
That 'cleaning up' of movement amde the Vector worth it and the 6DOF in future sims or games is a bonus.
As Mack says with out Vector within IL2 (all versions) it is possible to have your head movement miss translated by TIR and this actually led to the lean being used for turning.
With the early TIR this could be useful, but with the extra range and stability of TIR3 those direction aberations can be used. This is were Vector (6DOF) comes into its own. Vector uses basic triganometry to determin what your head is doing in relation to the TIR sensor.
If a game does not use these directions, then the TIR will send 'pure data' to your game for up/down and turn as the other axis can be turned off if the game does not use them.
That 'cleaning up' of movement amde the Vector worth it and the 6DOF in future sims or games is a bonus.
Re: New TrackIr3-Pro
quote:Originally posted by Barred:
Haukeye, man I am sorry that happened to you, I know what it is like to wait for something that is in delivery to you and then find it is not there. I hope that it i sorted out for you real soon, with as little extra pain as possible.
As Mack says with out Vector within IL2 (all versions) it is possible to have your head movement miss translated by TIR and this actually led to the lean being used for turning.
With the early TIR this could be useful, but with the extra range and stability of TIR3 those direction aberations can be used. This is were Vector (6DOF) comes into its own. Vector uses basic triganometry to determin what your head is doing in relation to the TIR sensor.
If a game does not use these directions, then the TIR will send 'pure data' to your game for up/down and turn as the other axis can be turned off if the game does not use them.
That 'cleaning up' of movement amde the Vector worth it and the 6DOF in future sims or games is a bonus.Yeah, it is a bummer getting it stolen, knowing that theft drives up insurance, which drives up prices. The Natural Point guys and UPS have both been really helpful and fast. I haven't gotten the product yet but am already impressed with the service!
As to the vectoring, I'm still a bit confused. From what I understand IL2 Aces over the Pacific doesn't support it, but the game will run better with it that without? Is that correct?
I'm also planning on buying GTR in the near future and plan on using TrackIR with that also, hopefully the game supports the vectoring. Anyways not much more I can do till my TrackIR arrives, hopefully it'll be here monday as someone will be home all day. I just may tie up Woodrow, my 150lb St Bernard/German Shepherd/Akita on the front porch and tell the UPS guy to just toss it up on the porch, Woodrow can be downright scary if I'm not around. :> Anyways thanks for the help gang, I'm sure I'll be pestering you all with more questions real soon. Your help is greatly appreciated!
Haukeye
[ February 19, 2005, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: Haukeye ]
Haukeye, man I am sorry that happened to you, I know what it is like to wait for something that is in delivery to you and then find it is not there. I hope that it i sorted out for you real soon, with as little extra pain as possible.
As Mack says with out Vector within IL2 (all versions) it is possible to have your head movement miss translated by TIR and this actually led to the lean being used for turning.
With the early TIR this could be useful, but with the extra range and stability of TIR3 those direction aberations can be used. This is were Vector (6DOF) comes into its own. Vector uses basic triganometry to determin what your head is doing in relation to the TIR sensor.
If a game does not use these directions, then the TIR will send 'pure data' to your game for up/down and turn as the other axis can be turned off if the game does not use them.
That 'cleaning up' of movement amde the Vector worth it and the 6DOF in future sims or games is a bonus.Yeah, it is a bummer getting it stolen, knowing that theft drives up insurance, which drives up prices. The Natural Point guys and UPS have both been really helpful and fast. I haven't gotten the product yet but am already impressed with the service!
As to the vectoring, I'm still a bit confused. From what I understand IL2 Aces over the Pacific doesn't support it, but the game will run better with it that without? Is that correct?
I'm also planning on buying GTR in the near future and plan on using TrackIR with that also, hopefully the game supports the vectoring. Anyways not much more I can do till my TrackIR arrives, hopefully it'll be here monday as someone will be home all day. I just may tie up Woodrow, my 150lb St Bernard/German Shepherd/Akita on the front porch and tell the UPS guy to just toss it up on the porch, Woodrow can be downright scary if I'm not around. :> Anyways thanks for the help gang, I'm sure I'll be pestering you all with more questions real soon. Your help is greatly appreciated!
Haukeye
[ February 19, 2005, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: Haukeye ]
Re: New TrackIr3-Pro
Haukeye, pester all you want when it arrives
When you do manage to get a replacement drop a line here and I can give you a few tips on it's setup (no point in doing it now) if you need them.
The position with IL2 does sound confusing but really is not
With out the Vector you can look up and down and left and right.
With the Vector you still have the same up/down left/right as before but it is a lot more precise than it is with out it (due to the nature of TIR+Vector and not IL2).
If a game has 6DOF (Vector) then how you move your head is how your vertual head will move.
Now for GTR. At present the same view as IL2 are used BUT 6DOF (vector) IS comming to GTR (YES thanks NP ). I have been running a 'patched' version of the German copy that I imported via Amazon.de, because I really could not wait for this sim. The only way I can describe this sim is:-
AMAZING
When 6DOF is added:-
F..................................
(whilst apologising to the wife for the language )
PC Gamer (UK) has just given it a score of 92% without TIR. Now magazines do not normally sway my thoughts for a game, what other do say does sway me.
Let me put it this way. As soon as I can get hold of the �400 it is going to cost to get a pair of ECCI pedals imported I will be adding them for my MOMO wheel. GTR deserves it just like a good flight sim deserves a HOTAS rig.
When it (GTR) comes out here in the UK next mont drop ne a line in the GTR forum here and I will see what I can do about importers to the US. The same goes for everybody.
Good Luck
Alex
[ February 19, 2005, 08:08 PM: Message edited by: Barred ]
When you do manage to get a replacement drop a line here and I can give you a few tips on it's setup (no point in doing it now) if you need them.
The position with IL2 does sound confusing but really is not
With out the Vector you can look up and down and left and right.
With the Vector you still have the same up/down left/right as before but it is a lot more precise than it is with out it (due to the nature of TIR+Vector and not IL2).
If a game has 6DOF (Vector) then how you move your head is how your vertual head will move.
Now for GTR. At present the same view as IL2 are used BUT 6DOF (vector) IS comming to GTR (YES thanks NP ). I have been running a 'patched' version of the German copy that I imported via Amazon.de, because I really could not wait for this sim. The only way I can describe this sim is:-
AMAZING
When 6DOF is added:-
F..................................
(whilst apologising to the wife for the language )
PC Gamer (UK) has just given it a score of 92% without TIR. Now magazines do not normally sway my thoughts for a game, what other do say does sway me.
Let me put it this way. As soon as I can get hold of the �400 it is going to cost to get a pair of ECCI pedals imported I will be adding them for my MOMO wheel. GTR deserves it just like a good flight sim deserves a HOTAS rig.
When it (GTR) comes out here in the UK next mont drop ne a line in the GTR forum here and I will see what I can do about importers to the US. The same goes for everybody.
Good Luck
Alex
[ February 19, 2005, 08:08 PM: Message edited by: Barred ]